Palisades Gold Radio: The Growing Recognition of Negative Bond Yields (w/ Luke Gromen)


Palisades Gold Radio
Oct 6, 2021

Tom welcomes Luke Gromen of Forest for the Trees back to the show.

Luke is concerned about the United States debt to GDP ratio. Once a certain threshold of debt is reached countries normally enter a period of stagnancy. Today, there is a binary aspect to Fed policies as they are expected to do either too much or not enough.

The U.S. Bond markets today have around seventy trillion in assets and there is a slow move from bonds to other assets including crypto. Investors are looking for anything that protects purchasing power.

Luke outlines the future obligations of the United States and why these are enormous issues. The debt ceiling is just a political football and it would be shocking if they didn’t raise it. The government today is two wings of the same bird. Both parties spend ridiculous amounts and they both believe that deficits don’t matter. This is certainly a bad sign and an indication of problems to come.

He expects the Fed to taper but it will be in appearance only. Like a drug user hiding an addiction, the Fed will begin injecting liquidity into other areas while ‘tapering’. This will improve the Fed’s credibility however the reality will be that nothing much will have changed. It will all be sleight of hand.

Luke discusses different scenarios for how the United States could get out of the debt crisis. All of which would require massive growth on the order of 15-20% GDP annually for an extended period.

China appears to be dealing with debt problems by restructuring, firing management, and allowing shareholders to be wiped out. Ironically, this is what we should have done back in 2008 but instead, we have been centrally planning everything.

He feels the world is passing peak cheap oil and that prices will shift higher from here. Fracking and shale oil may become more feasible as prices rise. However, the cheap capital that used to be available for that industry is far less today.

Physical gold is an asset that is no one else’s liability. No one else should have a claim to it. Today, the value of everything is tied in some way to energy. Gold doesn’t carry that risk because the energy has already been expended.


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