“Response to Danlboon on NESARA Debt Forgiveness” by Vee – 7.6.21

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Entry Submitted by Vee at 11:12 AM EDT on July 6, 2021

“Re: Vee on NESARA Debt Forgiveness” by Danlboon – 7.2.21

Danlboon.. I am remiss and sorry for not addressing more directly to your reply..

And again as I’ve post recently about the Fed. Reserve System…Act.and the banking acts ie 1935 ..FDR’s Emergency Banking Act of 1933 gold hoarding and Article 1 Section 10 of the Constitution the gold debt paying clause. These all relate to as you said …”There is some confusion as it appears to some that HJR 192 applies to only ‘incorporated persons,’” 

And as I showed that they the Gov. left us, We the People of the united American States without a means to lawfully to be paid or to pay. As the document  “Dispatch Merchants” ( everyone should read it) we were left with the inability to perform otherwise than to use the corporate debt note. It is not WtP’s debt. 

The conundrum is ..when did fraud with the entent to defraud begin? The issues you raise of hjr 192 and the SSA. are certainly part of the conundrum. Then we can go back to the District of Columbia Act of 1871. The creating that of the democracy territory nation not to exceed the 10 Mile Square.(having its own body of people and exclusive law and government) Erie Railroad vs. Tompkins 1938 gave that nation state of DC corporate the means it needed to apply the Law Merchants common law.. to use negotiable instruments bills of exchanges and insurance securities.        ( see Clearfield trust Doctrine).

Now many of us thats been doing our due diligence for years, think that the “Republic of America” ended at the start civil war..when the members ole Dixie walked out of both sides of the capital ending as sine die.It’s legalese for “indefinitely,” and Latin for “without day.” If a meeting ends with no set day to get back together, it’s adjourned sine die

But I have recently found another term that could had been impliments instead of the latter. Prorogued

: to suspend or end a legislative session; discontinue a session of (a parliament or other legislative assembly) without dissolving itProlonging or putting off to another day. The discontinuation or termination of a session of the legislature, parliament, or the like. InEnglish Lawa prorogation is theContinuanceof the parliament from one session to another, as an adjournment is a continuation of the session from day to day. InCivil Lawgiving time to do a thing beyond the term previously fixed
So maybe instead of sine die it was prorogue. 

A Proclamation by the President of the United States, April 15, 1861This proclamation was within the limits of the act that established the United States Shipping Board. The first president to declare a national emergency was President Abraham Lincoln, during the American Civil War.

As Commander in Chief, President Abraham Lincoln responded to the Confederate attack on Fort Sumter by calling for 75,000 militia volunteers. Their first duty was to repossess federal property seized from the Union by the seven seceded states. Lincoln also used his constitutional authority to convene an extraordinary session of Congress for July 4, 1861.

Lincoln’s proclamation also summoned Congress to return for an extraordinary session beginning on July 4, “to consider, and determine, such measures as, in their wisdom, the public safety, and interest, may seem to demand.”

Records of the U.S. Senate, National Archives and Records Administration

Deeming that the present condition of public affairs presents an extraordinary occasion, I do hereby, in virtue of the power in me vested by the Constitution, convene both Houses of Congress.

 A Proclamation by the President of the United States, April 15, 1861
https://www.visitthecapitol.gov/exhibitions/artifact/proclamation-president-united-states-april-15-1861
https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/civil_war/LincolnEmergencySession_FeaturedDoc.htm

If fraud null and voids something from the onset..then the question now is ..when did it begin? Can we say that the whole Civil war was perputrated fraud on America ? And thus anything that would have come from that, that would apply to us now would vary well be irrelevant and null and void. Wow this is opening can of worms. 
A rule of law is ..that for something to become null and void ..a act of congress to be rescinded..it must be done in the same manner it was enacted. 
Like..18th Amendment 1919 (National Prohibition Act)

January 19, 1919, Congress ratified the 18th Amendment, banning the manufacture, sale and transport of alcoholic beverages

AND 

On December 5, 1933, the 21st Amendment was ratified, as announced in this proclamation from President Franklin D. Roosevelt. The 21st Amendment repealed the 18th Amendment of January 16, 1919, ending the increasingly unpopular nationwide prohibition of alcohol.

The day the Constitution was ratified.

“On June 21, 1788, the Constitution became the official framework of the government of the United States of America when New Hampshire became the ninth of 13 states to ratify it.

Until the new Constitution was ratified, the country was governed by the Articles of Confederation. That document was tailored to a newly formed nation made of states acting more like independent, sovereign countries…it quickly became clear to some of America’s leaders that future stability required a stronger, more centralized government.

The initial purpose of the Convention was for the delegates to amend the Articles of Confederation; however, the ultimate outcome was the proposal and creation of a completely new form of government. Three months later, on September 17, 1787, the Convention concluded with the signing (by 38 out of 41 delegates present) of the new U.S. Constitution. Under Article VII, it was agreed that the document would not be binding until its ratification by nine of the 13 existing states.”

https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/blog/the-day-the-constitution-was-ratified

I have not found anywhere where the Articles of Confederation were ever repealed. They created another entity and layed it over top of the  Confederation of Perpetual Union. 

The Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union was an agreement among the 13 original states of the United States of America. 

Perpetual means without end. 

Ratification 

By 1779 all the states had approved the Articles of Confederation except Maryland, …Maryland ratified the Articles, which went into effect on March 1, 1781.

The Articles of Confederation Text

Preamble:

To all to whom these Presents shall come, we the undersigned Delegates of the States affixed to our Names send greeting…in the Second Year of the Independence of America, agree to certain articles of Confederation and perpetual Union between the States….

Thirteen Articles:

Article I.

The Stile of this confederacy shall be “The United States of America”

Article IV.

The better to secure and perpetuate mutual friendship and intercourse among the people of the different states in this union, the free inhabitants of each of these states..

Article XIII.

Every state shall abide by the determinations of the united states in congress assembled, on all questions which by this confederation are submitted to them. And the Articles of this confederation shall be inviolably observed by every state, and the union shall be perpetualnor shall any alteration at any time hereafter be made in any of them; unless such alteration be agreed to in a congress of the united states, and be afterwards confirmed by the legislatures of every state.

( you see there was a clause within this article for amending its Articles of Confederation)

Conclusion:

And Whereas it hath pleased the Great Governor of the World to incline the hearts of the legislatures we respectively represent in congress, to approve of, and to authorize us to ratify the said articles of confederation and perpetual union…fully and entirely ratify and confirm each and every of the said articles of confederation and perpetual union,…And that the articles thereof shall be inviolably observed by the states we respectively represent, and that the union shall be perpetual.

No where in The 1788 Constitution did it say that it repealed or dissolve the Articles of Confederation. It’s a presumption that it was dissolved. There is as far as I know, no voting of or written repealing of the AofC.and thus it still stands and a Lawful government. Was the 1788 Constitution perpetrated fraud..on who? Yes the AofC. did not have Bill of Rights ammendment attached to it..but that was pushed for by all the States of the Confederacy that they would not ratify the Constitution unless there was attached to it the Bill of Rights.

 Remember what I’ve post here before.   

The Constitution is a limitation of the government, not on private individuals–that it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government–that it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizens’ protection against the government. 

Instead of being a protector of man’s rights, the government is becoming their most dangerous violator; instead of guarding freedom, the government is establishing slavery; instead of protecting men from the initiators of physical force, the government is initiating physical force and coercion in any manner and issue it pleases; instead of serving as the instrument of objectivity in human relationships, the government is creating a deadly, subterranean reign of uncertainty and fear, by means of nonobjective laws whose interpretation is left to the arbitrary decisions of random bureaucrats; instead of protecting men from injury by whim, the government is arrogating to itself the power of unlimited whim-so that we are fast approaching the stage of ultimate inversion; the stage where the government is “free” to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may only act by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of humanity, the stage of rule by brute force.” – Ayn Rand

What more can I say ? 

Vee …peace.

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